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[Yellonet]

The last few days I've been playing in the rain... of missiles.
I'd say that in half the matches I've played recently, LRM boats have been the deciding factor of which team wins the fight.
In some matches there is literally a constant downpour of LRM's, and as ECM is pretty rare and avoiding LRM's in a slow mech is nigh impossible I'd say that right now LRM's are overpowered.

It just makes for very boring gameplay when you spend several minutes getting into position, then all of the sudden a light mech runs past and spots you, then the rain begins and if you're not near some cover you're dead.

Also, AMS isn't all that effective when you have a hundred missiles coming your way.

Using LRM's shouldn't be as easy to use as it is now, just wait for someone to lock a target, then spam away with missiles.

Either ECM should be made available for many more mech models or the use of LRM's should be made more difficult. I'd say that the latter is the better alternative.

My suggestion would be to make LRM's unable to lock on target unless you have either visual contact with the target or if you have visual contact (think of it as a line of sight data link) with the spotter. This would make spotting for LRM boats more of a skill as you will have to have both the LRM boat and the target in light of sight, also positioning of the LRM mech would become more important.

[RedDevil]

Prepare for the storm of criticism, though I also agree that LRMs should only be indirect fire against TAG'd or NARC'd targets.
LRM's should need LoS, but ECM should not block regular target locks. LRMs could use a speed buff too in this case.

Edited by RedDevil, 26 July 2015 - 02:59 PM.

[Suko]

The Shadow Cat and Artic Cheetah just came out. Both mechs pack ECM. There's more ECM in the game now than I've seen in the last year of MWO. If you think LRMs are a problem now, you will be furious in 2 months when you won't have 3 ECM mechs on each team every match.

Edited by Suko, 26 July 2015 - 03:01 PM.

[Kubernetes]

Whoa, did you just get here in a time machine?

[Mcgral18]

Well, you went two weeks before making a LRMS OP thread...so I'll give you that.

I'm afraid I'll still have to do this:





Effectiveness of LRMs are directly related to the actions of the target, not the shooter.

[Monkey Lover]

lrms need a buff they are one of the worst weapons in the game. The only weapon worse is the flamer. I can't believe anyone even hit you. Most of the games i was playing this morning had 4+ ecms on each time.

I was trying to narc today for a lrm boat i had bap on, ecm on counter and narcing. I STILL couldnt get locks for my team.

[Throat Punch]

Fight fire with fire! How to become a pro LRM boat!

[Sug]

is it 2013?

[RedDevil]

See what I mean? Everyone will pile on to you not matter how reasonable an argument you make for changing ECM in exchange for making LRMs LoS. The best arguments are they'll say you're just bad if you get hit by LRM's.

[Roosterfish]

Show us on the paper doll where the big bad LRM5 boating Mad Dog, Golden Boy, or Loupe de Guerre touched you.

[Armored Yokai]

[Throat Punch]

RedDevil, on 26 July 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

See what I mean? Everyone will pile on to you not matter how reasonable an argument you make for changing ECM in exchange for making LRMs LoS. The best arguments are they'll say you're just bad if you get hit by LRM's.

LRM's are feast or famine. If you are getting killed strictly by LRM's then YOU are doing something terribly wrong. It's the truth. You may not like it, but there it is.

[Mcgral18]

RedDevil, on 26 July 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

See what I mean? Everyone will pile on to you not matter how reasonable an argument you make for changing ECM in exchange for making LRMs LoS. The best arguments are they'll say you're just bad if you get hit by LRM's.

He made no suggestion to change the Magic Jesus Box, he just wants reinforce LRMs to become the second worst weapon system in the game by making them only able to lock with TAG, because he didn't say make the Jesus Box lose the Stealth Armour properties.

[RedDevil]

Mors Draco, on 26 July 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

LRM's are feast or famine. If you are getting killed strictly by LRM's then YOU are doing something terribly wrong. It's the truth. You may not like it, but there it is.

Can check that argument off the list. Cheers.

[Suko]

I have to admit, these forums are a hive of hostility and trolls, but I do agree with them on LRMs. They are NOT over powered, especially right at this point. ECM is everywhere. If you're having trouble with LRMs in the current meta, than God help you if you tried to play this game a year ago.

[bad arcade kitty]

in what reality
it's neigh impossible to run lrm nowadays and barely possible to run streaks

[Nothing Whatsoever]

I don't like how LRMs are currently implemented either.

They're feast or famine and very ammo inefficient.

They can be force multipliers under the right circumstances but also have too many hard counters

[RedDevil]

Mcgral18, on 26 July 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

He made no suggestion to change the Magic Jesus Box, he just wants reinforce LRMs to become the second worst weapon system in the game by making them only able to lock with TAG, because he didn't say make the Jesus Box lose the Stealth Armour properties.

I said no matter how reasonable an argument he makes. I was inferring that even if one did say that, one would still get dog-piled on. He didn't even offer the change to ECM, so this will be even worse.

LRM's are feast if the enemy has no ECM. LRM's are famine if the enemy has ECM. The circle goes round. I don't suppose anyone can see why people clamor for ECM against a feast weapon?

[Hit the Deck]

bad arcade kitty, on 26 July 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

in what reality
it's neigh impossible to run lrm nowadays and barely possible to run streaks

My WHK-B doesn't agree. You can still run LRMs fine.

And I don't agree with people who say that LRMs are a feast or famine weapon because more often than not you can get them to work (with the help of UAV, NARC, and TAG). Exceptions exist of course, for example on River City when both sides decided to camp on each side of the river and just snipe each other. But in this case you just wait until the formation breaks apart.

Edited by Hit the Deck, 26 July 2015 - 03:21 PM.

[Spheroid]

sounds like pilot error. The game environment has never been more hostile towards effective missile support.